You can call him whatever you want, but 27 trophies is not something you stumble into by accident and the fact he came through the academy and stayed there through the whole rise makes it even bigger, proper club man stuff, and even if you hated Madrid you had to respect how often he popped up in the biggest moments, the whole farewell felt like the last page of a book that has been getting written for years and now its just gone, done, finished, and it hits different when you realise these lads who felt permanent are not permanent at all